Legislature(2007 - 2008)Anch LIO Conf Rm

10/09/2008 01:00 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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01:11:54 PM Start
01:15:13 PM P-16 Councils
02:34:02 PM Dropout Prevention
04:26:01 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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Jennifer Dounay, Senior Researcher, ECS:
Briefing on her knowledge of
-- P-16 Councils across the U.S.
-- Drop-out Prevention
Briefing will be from 1 to 4 with
public testimony from 4 to 6.
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
             SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION                                                                            
 HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                        October 9, 2008                                                                                         
                           1:11 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Bettye Davis, Chair                                                                                                    
 Senator Joe Thomas, Vice Chair - via teleconference                                                                            
 Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE EDUCATION                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                            
 Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                              
 Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                           
 Senator Fred Dyson - via teleconference                                                                                        
 Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                    
 Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                   
 Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                      
 Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                 
 Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Senator John Cowdery                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE EDUCATION                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                    
 Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Bob Roses, Vice Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
Jennifer Dounay,  Senior Researcher, Education Commission  of the                                                               
States -  Briefing on P-16  councils across the U.S.  and dropout                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER DOUNAY, Senior Researcher                                                                                              
Education Commission of the States (ECS)                                                                                        
Denver, CO                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Briefed the  committee on P-16  councils and                                                             
dropout prevention.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DON SHACKLEFORD                                                                                                                 
Avant-Garde Learning Foundation                                                                                                 
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Described the Alignment Study  that looks at                                                             
the  apparent  gap between  high  school  graduation and  college                                                               
entrance and high school graduation and the workforce.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LARRY LEDOUX, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke about the upcoming  educational summit                                                             
and plans to improve education.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PAUL D KENDALL, representing himself                                                                                            
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented his concern about energy.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MARTINSON, Director                                                                                                       
SE Alaska Career Center                                                                                                         
Sitka, AK,                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Asked  about   the  impact  of  career  and                                                             
technical education as a dropout prevention strategy.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAULA PAWLOWSKI, Legislative Chair                                                                                              
Alaska PTA                                                                                                                      
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented information  on PTAs  and parental                                                             
involvement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY ROGERS, CEO                                                                                                                
PangoMedia Inc.                                                                                                                 
Legislative Affairs Committee                                                                                                   
State Chamber of Commerce                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed the business  community's interest                                                             
in working with the state to  produce graduates who are ready for                                                               
the workplace.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BETTYE  DAVIS  called  the joint  meeting  of  the  Senate                                                             
Health, Education and Social Services  Standing Committee and the                                                               
Senate  Special  Committee on  Education  and  the House  Health,                                                               
Education  and Social  Services  Standing Committee  to order  at                                                               
1:11:54 PM.  Present at  the call to  order were  Senators Donald                                                             
Olson, Kim  Elton, Joe  Thomas -  via teleconference,  and Bettye                                                               
Davis  and Representatives  Berta  Gardner Peggy  Wilson and  Wes                                                               
Keller - via teleconference.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                         ^P-16 Councils                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS  advised  those  wishing  to  participate  that  the                                                               
teleconference number is 888-295-4546.  She recognized that there                                                               
were  Anchorage   School  Board  members  in   the  audience  and                                                               
introduced Jennifer Dounay from Denver.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
1:15:13 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNIFER  DOUNAY,  Education  Commission  of  the  States  (ECS),                                                               
Denver,  CO,  explained  that  ECS   is  a  50-state  nonpartisan                                                               
education   organization  established   in   1965.  Its   primary                                                               
constituents  are all  levels of  state policy  makers: governors                                                               
and   staff,  legislators   and  staff,   state  board   members,                                                               
superintendants and higher education leaders of all types.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She  said she  is using  the term  P-16 because  the majority  of                                                               
states that have a council use  this term; it refers to preschool                                                               
or pre-kindergarten to  school year 16, which is  the fourth year                                                               
of  an  undergraduate  degree. Other  states  have  created  P-20                                                               
councils, which is considered to  be undergraduate plus the first                                                               
professional or doctoral degree.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY continued;  as of 2008, 38 states have  created a P-16                                                               
or P-20/K-20 council. It goes  beyond just the establishment of a                                                               
council  however;  it  includes  data systems.  Many  places  are                                                               
trying to align the K-12  and post-secondary data systems so they                                                               
can track what  happens to students once they  graduate from high                                                               
school. The  councils are also talking  about funding mechanisms.                                                               
Traditionally,   K-12   and   post-secondary   both   lobby   the                                                               
legislature or  other sources for  the same  pot of money  and it                                                               
can create some friction between  the systems. There is also talk                                                               
about   ways  of   thinking  about   education;  not   separating                                                               
kindergarten or early  learning from the rest of  the system, not                                                               
thinking about school  ending at grade 12, but  an aligned system                                                               
from preschool  through advanced education. She  pointed out that                                                               
in many  cases, parents, students  and the general public  has no                                                               
idea  that  there  are  three   different  systems  operating  in                                                               
isolation  from one  another; so  getting  that word  out to  the                                                               
public  can help  to  generate support.  Last,  they are  talking                                                               
about   decision-making  through   the   executive  office,   the                                                               
legislature, state  boards and other policy-making  bodies in the                                                               
state,  so everyone  is  on  the same  page  and can  collaborate                                                               
rather than compete.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:18:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY  said there are  two or three  ways of looking  at the                                                               
need for P-16.  Parents do what they can for  their children: get                                                               
them into  a pre-kindergarten,  get them into  a good  school and                                                               
encourage  them  to  consider  college;  but  in  each  of  those                                                               
different sectors, despite  doing all of the  right things, their                                                               
children  may not  be ready  for  the next  level. The  preschool                                                               
program  may be  totally misaligned  with what  a child  needs to                                                               
know when he  or she enters kindergarten or first  grade. A child                                                               
entering  middle school  may find  a completely  different agenda                                                               
and curriculum from what he or  she had in the elementary grades.                                                               
A child entering high school may  not have been taught what he or                                                               
                                    th                                                                                          
she needs  to learn to  succeed in 9   grade and beyond;  and the                                                               
high school graduation  requirements are completely disassociated                                                               
from  the  courses and  assessments  that  a  child needs  to  be                                                               
successful in a college program. This  leads to a lot of "passing                                                               
the buck." The employers are pointing  fingers at the two or four                                                               
year colleges  because people graduated  without the  skills they                                                               
need in business;  the colleges are pointing fingers  at the high                                                               
schools  because  their graduates  have  to  go into  remediation                                                               
before they are ready for  the college programs; high schools are                                                               
pointing at the  middle schools; the middle  schools are pointing                                                               
behind them; and all of them  are pointing at the parents for not                                                               
preparing their  kids for school.  P-16 programs are  designed to                                                               
align all  of the  components so  everyone is  on the  same page;                                                               
everyone understands  what is expected  in the system  before and                                                               
after their component  and children are ready to move  up at each                                                               
step.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY  said  in  June  of 2008,  ECS  launched  a  50-state                                                               
database on P-16  and P-20 councils, which was  summarized in the                                                               
June 2008 issue of "Diplomas  Count." This publication has "cliff                                                               
notes" for  the ECS database  starting on about page  17. They've                                                               
coded  about 15  different data  points  into simple  yes, no  or                                                               
other short  answers so it's  quick and  easy to go  through. The                                                               
full database is available at  ecs.org/p20. ECS has been tracking                                                               
P-16s since  the late '90s  and it provides a  very comprehensive                                                               
picture  of  what's going  on  in  the  state.  There is  also  a                                                               
commentary in  "Diplomas Count,"  which she  authored, and  in it                                                               
she mentions three  "A's" that are essential  components of P-16:                                                               
actors,  agenda  and appropriation  of  resources.  She said  she                                                               
would try to walk through some  of the indicators in the database                                                               
that align with  those three A's and what best  practice in state                                                               
policy appears to be at this time.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS interrupted  to  ask whether  Ms.  Dounay wants  the                                                               
committee to hold  questions or if they can ask  questions as she                                                               
goes through her presentation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY invited questions during her presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:22:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON  asked if the  councils that have  been established                                                               
are executive, legislative or a mix.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY answered they are a  real mix; that will be covered in                                                               
the next slide.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY proceeded to slide  6, "Who's lobbying for alignment?"                                                               
This slide sets  out the different entities that  have pushed for                                                               
the  creation of  a P-16  or P-20  council: in  11 states  it was                                                               
through executive order; in 10  it was through legislation; in 14                                                               
states  it was  an entirely  voluntary effort;  and in  2 it  was                                                               
through a  state board resolution  or state board rule.  She said                                                               
those  have  really  changed  over  time.  For  example,  Georgia                                                               
created  the first  P-16  council in  1996  through an  executive                                                               
order  of then  governor, Zell  Miller.  In 2002  a new  governor                                                               
lobbied to create  a totally different P-16 council  with its own                                                               
members  and agenda.  After  he left  office,  while the  statute                                                               
stayed  on the  books, the  council started  to evolve  away from                                                               
what  was  in  statute  and  is now  a  purely  voluntary  effort                                                               
comprising  agency  heads  of early  learning,  K-12,  and  post-                                                               
secondary. She said  there has been a similar  evolution in other                                                               
states, where there was a  voluntary council and then legislation                                                               
was enacted  that created a  new agenda, new members  and brought                                                               
the council under the purview of the governor's office.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   DAVIS  announced   that  Senator   Charlie  Huggins   and                                                               
Representative Sharon Cissna had joined the meeting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  said this illustrates  that these councils are  by no                                                               
means  static. The  way  they are  created  changes; the  members                                                               
leading  them change;  they are  constantly in  a state  of flux.                                                               
Slide 7,  "Who's on Board?"  lists the "actors."  Legislators are                                                               
represented in many  states. In virtually all  states, chiefs and                                                               
SHEEOS  (State  Higher  Education  Executive  Officers)  such  as                                                               
presidents of  two and four year  post-secondary institutions are                                                               
represented and  in a number  of states  independent universities                                                               
or colleges  also have a  voice. A  number of councils  include a                                                               
representative  of  the  governor's office,  business  and  labor                                                               
leaders  and  others.  In  areas with  a  large  Native  American                                                               
population tribal  representatives may also be  included. Only 18                                                               
states have an early learning representative on the council.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Once  a state  creates a  council  it's just  the beginning.  She                                                               
referenced a draft  of a policy brief in the  members' packets on                                                               
"landmines" to  P-16 councils. P-16  and P-20 councils  face many                                                               
challenges. Some states may have too  small a group and no policy                                                               
leaders to  push follow-through;  some have  many members  but so                                                               
few with authority to enact change  that they have lost focus and                                                               
members aren't sure  of their roles on the council;  some have no                                                               
early-learning  representation so  the critical  issues of  early                                                               
learning just  aren't on the  agenda. In other states  that don't                                                               
have legislative  or gubernatorial  representation, there  may be                                                               
parallel  tracks and  duplication of  efforts. She  also stressed                                                               
the  importance of  including business  leaders  to identify  for                                                               
lawmakers and  others the  needs that  are not  being met  in the                                                               
business community and  to speak to what the  workforce needs are                                                               
in terms of high school completion and college readiness.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  stated that when  a council  does not have  the right                                                               
actors in place  it can cause confusion about  what the council's                                                               
mission is  and the roles of  its members. If a  council does not                                                               
meet frequently  enough, it can  lose momentum and  urgency about                                                               
moving  forward with  items on  the  agenda; most  meet at  least                                                               
quarterly.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON  said he was trying  to think of a  rationale for a                                                               
P-16  rather than  a  P-20 council.  He said  it  seems that  the                                                               
challenge is how students are  prepared to get the education they                                                               
need. If,  for example, they  are discussing how to  prepare high                                                               
school students  for college, why  isn't it equally  important to                                                               
discuss how to prepare college students for graduate school?                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY said  many of  the  P-20 councils  don't actually  go                                                               
beyond the  first four  years of  college in  the scope  of their                                                               
agenda,  which is  why she  uses the  term "P-16"  more often.  A                                                               
small  number of  states are  looking at  economic and  workforce                                                               
development  as part  of their  P-20 council  agenda and  that is                                                               
where the  advanced degrees  come in. Of  those states  with P-20                                                               
councils,  some are  looking at  advanced  degrees for  teachers,                                                               
administrators and other school staff.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS said  Alaska can decide whether it wants  to create a                                                               
P-16 or a P-20 council.  The current commissioner of education is                                                               
very interested and  an education summit is planned  for later in                                                               
the year  to determine  a direction.  Alaska wants  to put  it in                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:33:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DOUNAY  acknowledged  that most  states  that  have  created                                                               
councils  in  the  last  5 years,  have  created  P-20  councils;                                                               
however some people  think they aren't doing well  enough with P-                                                               
16 and question the move to P-20.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In terms  of the work councils  do, she said she  would recommend                                                               
that they  initially limit their  agenda to five or  fewer items.                                                               
As results  come in the  agenda can be expanded.  She highlighted                                                               
Indiana, which has had a council  in place for about 10 years. It                                                               
has a larger agenda but it started out smaller.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  said Alaska has  so many groups  that want                                                               
so many different  things to happen, it seems to  her that if all                                                               
those groups could be involved  in this one program, perhaps they                                                               
could accomplish more together.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY strongly  agreed.  She talked  about  the success  of                                                               
Indiana's  and  Georgia's programs,  where  it's  clear they  are                                                               
doing things together that they  couldn't be doing by themselves.                                                               
In Georgia,  the post-secondary  is involved with  early learning                                                               
because they are developing programs  to get highly trained staff                                                               
into  those pre-kindergarten  early learning  programs; K-12  and                                                               
post-secondary  are  working  together  to reduce  the  need  for                                                               
remediation; and teaching  quality is a major part  of their P-16                                                               
agenda. 16 states have set  numerical goals with attainment dates                                                               
in mind. For example, the goal  may be to increase the graduation                                                               
rate by 12  percent by a specific year, or  for an additional "X"                                                               
number of  students to enter two  or four year institutions  by a                                                               
specific year,  or perhaps the  goal is  to double the  number of                                                               
bachelor's degrees granted  by a set date. Georgia  has created a                                                               
balanced score card  (slide 11) listing specific  targets and has                                                               
assigned a staff person to  be responsible for overseeing each of                                                               
those components.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Slide  12 presents  "Appropriation of  Resources," financial  and                                                               
human.  About  half  of  the states  [that  have  councils]  have                                                               
legislative  appropriations or  some  funding  built into  agency                                                               
budgets to  support the work of  the councils. A small  number of                                                               
states receive  private funds from foundations.  Arizona requires                                                               
tribal  groups to  donate a  certain percentage  of their  casino                                                               
winnings to  charitable, non-profit,  or civic  organizations and                                                               
at least one  contributes to the P-16 council to  support some of                                                               
the work it is doing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Nebraska has a three-tiered system of support:                                                                                  
   · First tier - K-12 and postsecondary agencies and a non-                                                                    
     profit foundation to provide basic operating expenses.                                                                     
   · Second Tier - Smaller organizations such as state                                                                          
     superintendants provide a small part of the money.                                                                         
   · Third Tier - Civic and other organizations provide "in-                                                                    
     kind" support like meeting rooms, food for meetings, staff                                                                 
     as needed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Wyoming is the only state  that has a sustainability subcommittee                                                               
whose goal is  to identify and receive funds from  three types of                                                               
entities: governmental, foundation and business.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY said in terms of  human resources, 21 councils have at                                                               
least  a .5  full  time employee  (FTE)  supporting the  council.                                                               
Kentucky is talking about creating  a council through legislation                                                               
so it can get appropriations for staff to get the work done.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
North  Carolina and  Georgia have  a two-tiered  approach with  a                                                               
small number of agency heads  meeting quarterly or less often and                                                               
another cabinet  that meets  every six to  eight weeks.  In North                                                               
Carolina it is called the "kitchen  cabinet" and each member is a                                                               
staff member for the higher education cabinet.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS asked  if Shirley  Holloway is  off-net, as  she has                                                               
done a lot of work on P-16 councils.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DON  SHACKLEFORD  said he  would  speak  later  in place  of  Ms.                                                               
Holloway.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:43:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DAVIS   talked  about   the  statewide   education  summit                                                               
scheduled for November.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked for the date in November.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS said she'd get dates for her.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON referred to the  slide "Appropriation of Resources"                                                               
and wondered  how private  funds are handled.  He asked  if there                                                               
are  issues  if a  major  funding  source  isn't happy  with  the                                                               
council's decisions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY answered yes. Because  so many councils are relatively                                                               
new, it  isn't clear yet  whether the people providing  the funds                                                               
are  calling the  shots;  but  some states  are  so strapped  for                                                               
funds,  it is  a  challenge to  find staff  to  keep work  moving                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON asked how other councils handle staffing.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY replied it varies and  pointed out that one data point                                                               
in  the database  addresses that  under the  minimum .5  FTE. She                                                               
said she  can't remember how  it breaks  out; but they  also have                                                               
yet  to determine  whether  it makes  a  difference who  provides                                                               
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  commented that's  why it is  so important  that each                                                               
state decide  how it  wants to  do this. She  said she  has heard                                                               
from  many people  who  want  the council  and  guidelines to  be                                                               
established in  statute. When  she went to  a meeting  in Boston,                                                               
Alaska also  sent one member  from the state Chamber  of Commerce                                                               
and one from  the Anchorage Chamber. She  stressed the importance                                                               
of alignment  to ensure that  children are prepared to  move from                                                               
one educational level to the next and then into the workforce.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS invited the public to ask questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THOMAS, via  teleconference  from  Fairbanks, asked  why                                                               
states don't include  this type of council or  committee in their                                                               
existing  department   of  education   rather  than   setting  up                                                               
something outside the department.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  said she  doesn't know  if other  states do  it that                                                               
way;  but they  can  discuss  whether they  want  to  do that  in                                                               
Alaska.  She looks  forward to  looking more  closely at  the way                                                               
Colorado's new P-16  council is doing and  assured Senator Thomas                                                               
that  there  will be  many  examples  available at  the  upcoming                                                               
summit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:50 PM                                                                                                                    
DON SHACKLEFORD, Avant-Garde  Learning Foundation, Anchorage, AK,                                                               
said the  foundation is conducting  an "alignment  study" through                                                               
the  Institute of  Social  and Economic  Research  (ISER) at  the                                                               
University of Alaska, Anchorage (UAA).  It is looking at the very                                                               
questions being discussed, particularly  the apparent gap between                                                               
high  school  graduation and  college  entrance  and high  school                                                               
graduation and the  workforce. It is not only  an alignment study                                                               
but also  a preparedness  study. They  are asking  questions such                                                               
as: What requirements do kids have  to meet to graduate from high                                                               
school? In  what schools  are kids being  successful? Is  there a                                                               
discrepancy  between urban  and rural  graduation with  regard to                                                               
student  performance  in  schools?  What  are  the  colleges  and                                                               
universities in  Alaska looking at  in terms of what  people need                                                               
to know  in writing, reading,  mathematics and science;  in other                                                               
words,  what are  the base-level  courses that  people are  being                                                               
offered in  college and  how many  of our kids  are having  to go                                                               
through  those  developmental  classes,  why  and  how  can  they                                                               
address it?                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                   st                                                                           
The preliminary  report will be available  by the 1   of November                                                               
and the final  report will be completed before  the conference in                                                               
mid-November.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:55:04 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  said she  has found  that the  attitude of                                                               
the  parents has  a lot  to do  with it.  Her district  is mostly                                                               
rural; some areas are quite  inaccessible and she is finding that                                                               
some  parents  in those  inaccessible  areas  are less  concerned                                                               
about  kids'   education  than  parents   in  other   areas.  She                                                               
questioned how to evaluate that.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHACKLEFORD  admitted that it  is difficult  and complicated.                                                               
Educators have  little control over  parents and home life  but a                                                               
great deal  to say  about what  goes on in  the schools;  part of                                                               
that has to  do with the relationships with parents  and how well                                                               
educators develop  those relationships in the  community. He said                                                               
during the 30 years he has  worked in education in this state, he                                                               
has seen  several very good schools  in rural Alaska that  have a                                                               
lot of  participation by  parents because  the schools  have made                                                               
that outreach.  He suggested  that a P-16  council could  look at                                                               
how to better address parent and community involvement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY added that ECS published  a policy brief that looks at                                                               
different  approaches   states  can   use  to   support  parental                                                               
involvement.  In many  cases parents  feel that  they need  to be                                                               
involved  in the  earlier grades  but fall  away during  the high                                                               
school   years  when   research  indicates   that  setting   high                                                               
expectations and providing support are really essential.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS again invited people in the audience to comment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:04 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL D KENDALL asked if he could testify.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS said testimony would be taken starting at 4:00 PM.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She announced short at ease from 2:00:22 PM to 2:16:18 PM.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  LEDOUX, Commissioner,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development  (DEED),  Juneau,  AK, expressed  interest  in  these                                                               
topics;  DEED has  been working  hard looking  at the  success of                                                               
Alaska's kids. A  statistic that keeps coming to mind  is that 40                                                               
out  of  100  students  drop   out  of  Alaska  schools.  It's  a                                                               
complicated issue, but inaction is not acceptable.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX said  he gets  calls every  day from  people                                                               
asking  for help  "putting  out  fires" and  he  doesn't like  to                                                               
operate that way.  But in order to be proactive,  there must be a                                                               
plan yet  there is no  broad range  education plan in  this state                                                               
and  never  has been.  He  clarified  that  when he  talks  about                                                               
planning, he  is not talking about  planning that can be  used to                                                               
hide behind, but planning that  holds DEED accountable and allows                                                               
it to direct resources to a  common goal; planning that will help                                                               
to prevent kids from walking away.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:25 PM                                                                                                                    
As  part of  that, the  state and  the University  of Alaska  are                                                               
sponsoring an education summit to  help the State of Alaska build                                                               
an education  plan. The  outcomes are  to define  a vision  and a                                                               
mission for Alaska's  children. They also intend  to develop some                                                               
graduation  outcomes  that  they   believe  are  important.  They                                                               
believe citizenship is important;  working ethically and honestly                                                               
is  important; using  technology; an  understanding of  the arts;                                                               
mastery of  a wide body  of knowledge; the ability  to understand                                                               
service  and contributions  to the  community.  Those things  are                                                               
important but  they aren't stated  anywhere. The summit  is going                                                               
to take  a look at some  of the broader statements  about what it                                                               
want  graduates  to   look  like  when  they   leave  school.  He                                                               
emphasized that right now in  Alaska, a student can graduate with                                                               
a D-  average and  23 credits  and passing an  exam in  math, for                                                               
                                              th                                                                                
example, 80  percent of  which is  based on  8   grade standards.                                                               
That isn't enough;  whatever standard is set, the  kids will meet                                                               
it. Many  kids walk  away because the  system doesn't  meet their                                                               
needs, not  because they are  not able  to learn. He  pointed out                                                               
that kids now  days are learning in real-time. When  they want to                                                               
know  something, they  go  learn it.  They  aren't interested  in                                                               
sitting for  180 days to  earn a  credit and they  aren't waiting                                                               
for us any longer. He wants a  system that will build a vision in                                                               
every child.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said another component  of the summit  is to                                                               
set specific  goals and objectives  from birth to  work. Although                                                               
DEED doesn't  have responsibility  for children before  they come                                                               
to school, he insisted that the  state pays the price if they are                                                               
not  interested. So  while he  was not  saying the  department is                                                               
going to  be responsible for all  of that, he is  willing to work                                                               
collaboratively with other agencies.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
The  summit  is invitation  only.  DEED  solicited the  names  of                                                               
leaders, movers  and shakers in business,  industry and services.                                                               
Each  superintendent  was  asked  to bring  four  people  to  the                                                               
summit: the  superintendent, a school  board member,  a community                                                               
leader or politician  and a teacher or  principal; the University                                                               
of  Alaska is  inviting over  100  people. Also  invited are  150                                                               
agency  heads,  people who  are  involved  with young  people  in                                                               
Alaska.  He emphasized  that he  hopes to  bring together  people                                                               
that  normally  don't want  to  be  in  the  same room  with  one                                                               
another; he wants diverse opinions.  Groups will be asked to tell                                                               
what  success will  look like;  what it  will look  like if  they                                                               
accomplish  this goal  and  objective; who  will  be involved  in                                                               
helping to  achieve that; and  what opportunities  and challenges                                                               
will be faced on the way. The  real work for the summit will take                                                               
place afterward to  put workgroups together, groups  of people to                                                               
break things down into actions and costs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  said  he  believes  a  K-20  commission  is                                                               
needed; there should never be  silos. The department of education                                                               
or K-12 is intimately related  to the university system. It needs                                                               
to  work  hand-in-hand  with  the  universities  that  train  the                                                               
teachers and with people involved in early education.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:02 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked for the dates of the summit.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX said  the summit will be  held November 13-14                                                               
at  the Dena'ina  Center in  Anchorage; invitations  will go  out                                                               
this week.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  asked how  many of the  kids that  do not                                                               
graduate have or have had an  IEP. [Individual Education Plan - A                                                               
legal document  created to ensure  a child's  teacher understands                                                               
his/her learning  and/or physical  limitations and  follows steps                                                               
necessary  for  success.  It falls  under  the  Individuals  with                                                               
Disabilities Education Act or "IDEA."]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX said he can tell  her that by the time of the                                                               
summit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:40 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  D KENDALL,  representing himself,  Anchorage, AK,  asked if                                                               
the summit will be on camera so everyone can participate.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  responded that they  are not planning  to do                                                               
that  now.  They  have  talked   about  trying  to  broadcast  it                                                               
statewide; they are doing a  statewide survey prior to the summit                                                               
and inviting citizens all over  the state to share [their views].                                                               
He asked Mr.  Kendall if he is suggesting that  they broadcast it                                                               
live.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR KENDALL said his concern  is that these "insider" meetings are                                                               
becoming an  infrastructure versus  society in  multiple sectors.                                                               
He asserted  there's an obligation to  put the meetings on  TV so                                                               
everyone  can learn  and come  along together.  He asked  whether                                                               
there is  an itinerary  or an  agenda so the  public can  see the                                                               
flow during the day.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said a copy of  the agenda will go  out with                                                               
invitations. The flow  of things has been a concern;  the idea is                                                               
to provide  maximum interaction among  the participants so  a lot                                                               
of the work will be done in small groups.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KENDALL asked  if  there  will be  audience  seating so  the                                                               
public can view the proceedings.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX replied  that he hadn't thought of  it but it                                                               
sounds like a great idea. The  second day, when the draft plan is                                                               
presented, would  be an  excellent time to  invite the  public to                                                               
see what is  being presented. He said he would  bring that to the                                                               
group; it makes a lot of sense.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KENDALL questioned  why  the  second day;  he  likes to  see                                                               
things during  formation. He  also stated  that he  can't imagine                                                               
not  making energy  a  part of  the  discussion; it's  absolutely                                                               
essential  and foundational.  He wondered  who is  developing the                                                               
agenda and if it  is available for the public to see  or if it is                                                               
being done by a select few.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  commented  that over  400  people  randomly                                                               
invited can hardly be considered  a select few; but the intention                                                               
is to  collect information before  and after the summit.  He said                                                               
Mr. Kendall  had some good  comments as  far as the  audience and                                                               
presentation  of the  plan and  pointed out  that the  group will                                                               
post information  on the website  today. Eight major  topics have                                                               
been identified and he was not  sure that energy would be a chief                                                               
topic of discussion.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:32:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KENDALL asked  if  they  will have  some  of their  stiffest                                                               
critics present so they can assess the content of the criticisms                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  said that  Commissioner LeDoux  will deal  with that                                                               
later and announced  that the committee will go on  with the next                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                      ^Dropout Prevention                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
2:34:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY  relayed that  drop out prevention  and P-16  are very                                                               
much interrelated.  Many P-16  councils are  looking specifically                                                               
at dropout prevention as part of  their agenda. It is huge issue;                                                               
approximately  four out  of ten  kids nationwide  and one  out of                                                               
three high  school students,  are dropping  out. That  amounts to                                                               
1.2  million  students  per  year that  do  not  graduate.  Males                                                               
students tend to drop out at  a higher rate than females and that                                                               
is  true  across ethnic  lines.  There  is a  strong  correlation                                                               
between dropping out and  various negative consequences. Dropouts                                                               
are  more likely  to be  unemployed and  to live  at or  near the                                                               
federal  poverty  level; they  are  also  more likely  to  become                                                               
incarcerated.  This translates  to  reduced tax  revenues at  all                                                               
levels and a  higher likelihood of reliance  on public assistance                                                               
programs. The problem also extends  to health and related issues.                                                               
The  chart  on slide  4  shows  that there  is  a  huge spike  in                                                               
Medicaid coverage among those who  have not finished high school.                                                               
There  is  also   a  clear  link,  not  just  in   the  U.S.  but                                                               
internationally, between education and  life expectancy; the more                                                               
years of school  a person completes, the greater his  or her life                                                               
expectancy.  In addition,  a study  published  in 2006  indicated                                                               
that  one  in four  of  all  dropouts  and  one in  three  female                                                               
dropouts  left school,  at  least in  part,  because they  became                                                               
parents.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DOUNAY said  that  recent research  has  provided much  more                                                               
insight into  who is leaving  school and what factors  cause kids                                                               
to  leave school.  She  referenced  an ECS  report  from July  or                                                               
August  of 2007  that summarizes  some of  the research  she will                                                               
present  today. The  report  looked at  students  in Chicago  and                                                               
defined "on-track in  grade 9" as having completed  at least five                                                               
course credits of English, math,  science, social studies and one                                                               
                                                    th                                                                          
other course  for enough  credits to  move up to  10   grade; and                                                               
having earned no  more than one "F" in English,  math, science or                                                               
social studies.  Another study  tracked students  in Philadelphia                                                               
from grade  6 through a year  or two after they  were supposed to                                                               
have graduated from  high school. It found that if  a student had                                                               
failed English  or math; had  attended school 80 percent  or less                                                               
of the  time; or had  an out-of-school suspension, even  as early                                                               
as six years before graduation,  he or she was significantly more                                                               
likely  to leave  school before  earning a  diploma. If  students                                                               
have behavior incidents  such as low attendance  or suspension in                                                               
addition to failing  math or English, the  likelihood spiked even                                                               
higher. A University of Michigan  study looked at student/teacher                                                               
relationships  and  found  that  in  schools  where  student  and                                                               
teacher  responses   to  survey  questions  indicate   that  when                                                               
students believe their teachers know  who they are and care about                                                               
them, and teachers  say they know and care  about their students,                                                               
the dropout rate is significantly  lower than it is in comparable                                                               
high  schools  where  survey  responses  were  not  so  positive.                                                               
Smaller  schools   are  more  likely   to  have   those  positive                                                               
relationships between students and  teachers than larger schools.                                                               
It is  also very important  for parents to set  high expectations                                                               
and clearly communicate those to  high school age children. Last,                                                               
she  said,  the  kind  of math  curriculum  offered  and  student                                                               
achievement  in   math  correlates   closely  with   a  student's                                                               
likelihood of graduating.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:15 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  referenced   Ms.  Dounay's  comment  that                                                               
school  size is  a  factor in  student/teacher relationships  and                                                               
asked  if she  could  identify a  break-point in  the  size of  a                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  said that  large schools  of 1600-2500  students have                                                               
higher dropout  rates than  small to medium  or very  large (over                                                               
2500)  schools. That  the rate  was lower  in very  large schools                                                               
surprised  researchers.  They believe  it  is  because they  were                                                               
focusing on dropouts in grades 11  and 12 and in those very large                                                               
schools, students  were leaving  in grades 9  or 10,  even before                                                               
the study could catch them.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:41:25 PM                                                                                                                    
She went  on to slide 6,  "What do dropouts say?"  which presents                                                               
information from two surveys of  recent dropouts. One is the 2006                                                               
nationwide study  she mentioned earlier; the  other was published                                                               
by the Michigan  Education Association in May  2008. The findings                                                               
of both  studies were similar. Among  students age 16 to  25, the                                                               
most  common  reason  given  for  leaving  school  was  that  the                                                               
students found  school boring  and could  not see  a relationship                                                               
between what they were supposed to  learn in school and what they                                                               
thought they  needed to know to  get by in the  world. The second                                                               
most common  reason was  that the teachers  and other  adults had                                                               
low expectations so the students  did not feel inspired to expend                                                               
much  effort. Two  thirds of  students said  they would  have put                                                               
forth more effort  had more been expected. In  the Michigan study                                                               
in  particular, a  number of  dropouts said  they had  no job  or                                                               
career direction. They  didn't know what they wanted  to do after                                                               
high school and  they had no adult guidance; so  they felt school                                                               
was pointless. One  third of young adults in the  2006 study said                                                               
they were actually  failing in school and felt  it was impossible                                                               
to catch  up, so they  gave up. Over 50  percent of those  in the                                                               
2006  study said  their  parents were  not  actively involved  in                                                               
their schools. Many  said they simply had too  much freedom; they                                                               
knew they  were allowed to leave  school at age 16  and were just                                                               
waiting for their birthdays to do  so. The total is more than 100                                                               
percent  because students  frequently gave  more than  one reason                                                               
for the decision to drop out.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if it  makes a difference  the state                                                               
allows children to drop out at age 16, 17, or 18.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  said she  didn't have that  information on  hand; she                                                               
hasn't seen  a recent study  on graduation rates and  thinks that                                                               
is   because  states   are  changing   the  way   they  calculate                                                               
graduation. In some  states the very definition of  a graduate is                                                               
changing.  Until a  couple of  years  ago, Texas  was allowed  to                                                               
count  GED completers  as high  school  graduates, but  a lot  of                                                               
research suggests  that completing a  GED does not result  in the                                                               
same outcomes  in terms of  post-secondary access  and completion                                                               
or income. Also  many states are replacing older  data systems to                                                               
better  determine whether  kids actually  drop out  or just  move                                                               
from one district  to another. Some states  have changed tracking                                                               
methodology; more  states are  moving toward  a four  year cohort                                                               
                                                     th                                                                         
system that  looks at the  number of kids  entering 9   grade and                                                               
the  number  coming out  four  years  later,  which is  a  little                                                               
clearer. Nevada is  calculating dropout rates in grades  6, 7 and                                                               
8 as well.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY noted  that slide 7, "Dropout  Prevention: What States                                                               
Are Doing," is very "wordy."  She said the approaches schools are                                                               
taking to address  the dropout problem is varied;  some are based                                                               
on research and  some on anecdotal evidence. She said  there is a                                                               
strong correlation between dropping  out and being identified for                                                               
special  education; some  research also  suggests that  a certain                                                               
number of Career/Technical Education  (CTE) courses may help keep                                                               
students  who  are  not  interested  in  a  traditional  academic                                                               
program in  school. She said she  does not have time  to get into                                                               
that much  today, but ECS  does have  a 50-state database  on CTE                                                               
programs  on its  website. She  noted  that a  small but  growing                                                               
number of states are looking  at not stopping adolescent literacy                                                               
programs  at grade  3, but  providing teachers  with training  to                                                               
build upon student literacy in grades 4 through 12 as well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY said  the first dropout prevention  point is increased                                                               
rigor in  the high school  curriculum. That gets at  the research                                                               
on  the math  curriculum discussed  previously and  what dropouts                                                               
said   about   teachers   setting  and   students   meeting   low                                                               
expectations. ECS identified eight  states where all students are                                                               
expected  to  complete  a college/work  ready  curriculum,  which                                                               
includes: four years  of English, three years  of social studies,                                                               
three years  of math,  and three years  of a  laboratory science.                                                               
That curriculum  has been identified  as best  preparing students                                                               
to  achieve a  benchmark on  the ACT  assessment. It  also aligns                                                               
with  research from  the U.S.  Department of  Education; students                                                               
who completed that  curriculum were most likely  to complete high                                                               
school  and  go  on  to  complete a  four-year  degree  within  a                                                               
reasonable  period of  time. Of  the eight  states having  a more                                                               
rigorous curriculum, only  Texas has graduated a  class with that                                                               
standard. She  said she hasn't  seen statistics on the  number of                                                               
students  that  chose the  lower-level  curriculum,  which was  a                                                               
statewide  option  before the  class  of  2008. Nonetheless,  the                                                               
results  are   encouraging.  The  example  cited   is  San  Jose,                                                               
California,  a fairly  large, diverse  district  with respect  to                                                               
native student language, ethnicity and  income. In 1999 the local                                                               
board determined that all students  would be expected to complete                                                               
the  curriculum that  the state  university systems  accepted for                                                               
basic  admissions.  A  number  of   critics  said  that  students                                                               
couldn't  be  expected  to  complete   that  curriculum  yet  the                                                               
district saw  that graduation  rates increased.  Other unexpected                                                               
results included:  more Latino  students completed  advanced math                                                               
and  laboratory science  courses;  state-level assessment  scores                                                               
for  the district  rose more  quickly than  for the  rest of  the                                                               
state; more diverse students took  AP courses and passed AP exams                                                               
with higher scores.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:50:46 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked if Ms.  Dounay could provide  a link                                                               
to the higher standard curricula.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY directed  Representative Cissna to the  ECS home page;                                                               
navigate  to the  high  school online  database  page, which  has                                                               
links  to  "College-Ready  Standards" and  "Highlights  of  Local                                                               
Initiatives." The website also profiles  what the San Jose school                                                               
district did  to prepare teachers  for the  advanced requirements                                                               
and gives  some results.  Based on that  success the  Los Angeles                                                               
Unified School  District decided  that students  in the  class of                                                               
2012 would be required to  complete the college-ready curriculum.                                                               
San Diego is  beginning to talk about following  in the footsteps                                                               
of San Jose and Los Angeles.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  said it  isn't enough  to say  that students  have to                                                               
take  the  courses.  It's  also   essential  to  improve  teacher                                                               
preparation and professional  development, have early remediation                                                               
and  communicate  with  parents   about  why  the  curriculum  is                                                               
changing.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY   said  another  piece  is   student  accountability.                                                               
Research done  in an  early '90s  Princeton study  shows students                                                               
that were required to stay in  high school until age 18 were more                                                               
likely to  get a diploma. Now  27 states have policies  to deny a                                                               
driver's  license if  the  academic criteria  is  not met.  Other                                                               
restrictions have also been imposed  but data on the successes is                                                               
anecdotal.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY  next addressed graduation plans  and career "majors."                                                               
Graduation plans refer to when a  student sits down with a parent                                                               
and  teacher  or  counselor  at  the  beginning  of  grade  9  to                                                               
determine  which classes  to  take to  attain  a particular  goal                                                               
after  high  school.  This  helps to  get  students  and  parents                                                               
thinking  about  what  will  give  meaning  to  the  high  school                                                               
experience. Just nine states currently  have this requirement; 20                                                               
states and  DC will  have these  counseling requirements  for the                                                               
class  of 2011.  Providing greater  academic focus  gets students                                                               
thinking about  so-called career majors. Currently  three or four                                                               
states  require, instead  of eight  electives, just  four general                                                               
electives and  three or  four electives in  a particular  area of                                                               
interest. Those  can change  from year  to year;  the idea  is to                                                               
stimulate interest  in setting  goals and  taking courses  in the                                                               
area of focus.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:57:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS  asked Ms. Dounay not  to spend so much  time on each                                                               
of the dropout prevention items on the list. (slide 7)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:57:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY mentioned counseling  for dropout prevention and noted                                                               
what some other  states are doing to put more  counselors in high                                                               
schools.  Touching  on  remediation,  she  said  ECS  launched  a                                                               
database  in  2007  looking  at  what  classes  the  district  is                                                               
required to  offer if  students don't  meet a  certain threshold.                                                               
Various  other  indicators  are also  used.  When  students  fall                                                               
behind, they need  those supports yet they're  often not provided                                                               
or  not  evaluated  if  they are  provided.  Early  college  high                                                               
schools is an approach where  a five-year program begins in grade                                                               
9; at  the end of  five years  the student receives  an associate                                                               
degree, technical  certification, or  enough college  credits for                                                               
junior  year standing.  Only six  states have  statewide policies                                                               
for this. Other states that  have local partnerships are governed                                                               
either by dual  enrollment or charter school rules.  They do have                                                               
a  significant positive  impact on  students, particularly  given                                                               
that the programs are geared to underserved students.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  asked for a definition  of an underserved                                                               
student.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY  replied it  varies  by  district, but  primarily  it                                                               
includes students who  aren't necessarily on a  college path when                                                               
they start high school.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She relayed that  in October or November  model policy components                                                               
for early college  high schools will come out. It  will draw from                                                               
current legislation in North Carolina  and other states that have                                                               
model programs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Small learning communities, breaking up  a large high school into                                                               
smaller communities,  is done  primarily at  the local  level but                                                               
some  states are  getting into  that.  For example,  in Nevada  a                                                               
separate learning community must be  provided for grade 9 in high                                                               
schools  with  more  than   1,200  students.  Florida  encourages                                                               
districts  to  develop  schools within  schools  for  large  high                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Alternative pathways to a diploma is  the next point. It looks at                                                               
ways to  provide flexibility to  disengaged high  school students                                                               
so they  can get  the credits  they need to  earn a  regular high                                                               
school  diploma. She  noted  that the  strategies  in the  policy                                                               
brief,  "Beyond the  GED," would  apply equally  to students  who                                                               
aren't doing well in a traditional high school.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Middle grade  efforts to prevent dropouts  includes research from                                                               
Philadelphia  on  grade  6  indicators.   Some  states  are  just                                                               
starting to  look at  the middle  grades and  what has  to happen                                                               
there for students to stay in  school and on track in preparation                                                               
for high school.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Parental involvement  was mentioned  earlier. She noted  that the                                                               
policy  brief sets  out the  various areas  of policy  including:                                                               
developing   a   formal   policy;  reaching   out   on   academic                                                               
expectations;  accommodating   parents'  needs;   building  staff                                                               
capacity;  building parent  capacity;  developing benchmarks  and                                                               
evaluating impacts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ninth grade  initiatives for preventing dropouts  is demonstrated                                                               
by  Nevada  requirement  for separate  learning  communities  for                                                               
schools  with over  1200 students.  Each learning  community must                                                               
have:  at  least  one  licensed   administrator  that  is  solely                                                               
dedicated  to   the  community;  guidance  counselors   that  are                                                               
assigned just  to that learning  community; and one  adult mentor                                                               
          th                                                                                                                    
for each 9   grader. Any need for remediation counseling is to be                                                               
                                                      th                                                                        
identified as early  as possible, not at  the end of 9   grade or                                                               
later.  Louisiana and  Rhode Island  have early  intervention for                                                               
                             th                                                                                                 
students at risk of failing 9 grade math.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DAVIS   asked  if  the  committee   could  get  supporting                                                               
documentation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY said she would provide the state legislation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The final  state policy approach  for dropout prevention  is dual                                                               
enrollment. In  Oregon there is  a statutory priority  for school                                                               
districts to inform dropouts that  the "Expanded Options" program                                                               
is available.  Any student  who has dropped  out may  reenter the                                                               
system to participate  in that program. Also,  the state annually                                                               
must report the number of  dropouts that participated in expanded                                                               
options and earned a high  school diploma. In Rhode Island school                                                               
districts  with  a  dropout  rate higher  than  15  percent  must                                                               
provide  an expanded  option. Indiana  provides a  program called                                                               
"Fast  Track  to College."  Students  who  are  age 17  and  have                                                               
permission  from their  high school  or  dropouts who  are 19  or                                                               
older  may  finish  their  high school  diploma  at  a  community                                                               
college or  four year school.  High school credits  and secondary                                                               
credits can be  earned concurrently. She noted  that a recognized                                                               
disadvantage is that those who are  older than 19 and do not have                                                               
a high school diploma are  not eligible for federal financial aid                                                               
for tuition and fees. Indiana  officials hope to address that and                                                               
Oregon already does provide a  subsidy. She noted that the Oregon                                                               
program is  mentioned in  the "Beyond the  GED" policy  brief. It                                                               
also  looks at  dropout recovery  including increasing  the upper                                                               
statutory   age;  flexibility   in   accelerating  learning   and                                                               
demonstrating  competency;  flexible   credit  recovery  options;                                                               
flexibility  in   course  scheduling  and  course   loads;  clear                                                               
connections workforce; and communicating options to the public.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:04:50 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  asked  for further  explanation  of  the                                                               
expanded options that Oregon requires.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY explained  that it's a program for  students in grades                                                               
11 and 12 to take courses on  a college campus and earn both high                                                               
school and post-secondary credits.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS asked  if the  public had  questions for  Ms. Dounay                                                               
related to dropouts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN  MARTINSON,  Director,   Southeast  Alaska  Career  Center,                                                               
Sitka, AK, asked  for information about the impact  of career and                                                               
technical education as a dropout prevention strategy.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY  mentioned  a  study  that  looked  at  students  who                                                               
completed  between  1  and  12   credits  in  a  career/technical                                                               
education (CTE)  program. That study found  that at-risk students                                                               
who completed  6 credits  were more likely  to graduate  than at-                                                               
risk  peers. But  once the  at-risk students  completed more  CTE                                                               
courses than  academic courses, the  dropout rate  increased. She                                                               
offered to provide a copy of the study.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CISSNA  asked   Ms.  Dounay   to  provide   that                                                               
information to legislators as well.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KENDALL  asked Ms.  Dounay if she  had any  information about                                                               
the parents of dropouts such as  their age, how long they've been                                                               
married,  number  children  in  the  family,  and  socio-economic                                                               
background.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  replied she hasn't looked  at that, but she  has seen                                                               
research  that suggests  that children  from single-parent  homes                                                               
are more likely to drop out than those from two-parent homes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KENDALL asked if she  finds that sort of parental information                                                               
relevant  when  looking  at students.  He  continued:  "Not  only                                                               
parental and  point of  birth and the  society within  which they                                                               
grow, but  some of the  teachers who are  being brought in.  … Is                                                               
there  teacher  data as  to  where  those  teachers come  from  -                                                               
predisposition  for   a  sexual   orientation  or   diversity  of                                                               
background?" He  said he'd like  to see that information  if it's                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY asked  if he  is  looking for  a correlation  between                                                               
students who dropout and the teachers they have.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KENDALL  replied he's  already  seen  the data  that's  been                                                               
presented  here.  He's  curious  to   look  at  the  families  of                                                               
dropouts.  "My  concern  is  about the  child  and  the  parental                                                               
raising.  Not only  that but  whoever influenced  the child,  and                                                               
that most  direct influence is  the teacher after the  parents. I                                                               
would  think you  would  be looking  at  assessing the  teachers'                                                               
inclinations from many different perspectives."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY  responded that  a  few  states are  developing  data                                                               
systems for  the purpose  of tracking  which students  have which                                                               
teachers.  At this  point there  aren't enough  years of  data to                                                               
make any sort of finding.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KENDALL asked if families  of dropouts are also being tracked                                                               
with respect to drugs, violence, or social services.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY  replied  ECS  hasn't  tracked  that  and  she  isn't                                                               
familiar with other organizations that have done that research.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  announced that Representative Fairclough  joined the                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  apologized for being late;  her office                                                               
had been following  the meeting and Senator Dyson was  on line as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:12:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS said  that if she received an updated  list she would                                                               
recognize other legislators.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA observed that an  issue in Alaska is that a                                                               
large  percentage of  the population  moves seasonally  for work,                                                               
taking their families with them. She  asked Ms. Dounay if she has                                                               
seen  any correlation  between an  itinerant  population and  the                                                               
dropout rate and how different groups have addressed that.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  replied she has seen  some research on the  number of                                                               
times  a  child changes  schools  during  the K-12  years;  after                                                               
changing  schools a  certain number  of times  it is  less likely                                                               
that a student  will complete high school. She has  not looked at                                                               
the migrant issue but she could do some research in that area.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH said  that  issue  was very  important                                                               
when she served on an elementary  school PTA and on the Anchorage                                                               
                                         th                                                                                     
Assembly. Although the focus here is on 9   grade, she wonders if                                                               
there is research on attendance  at lower levels. When she served                                                               
on the assembly she learned  that school nurses could identify as                                                               
          stndrd                                                                                                                
early as 1,   2  or  3  grade which students  would be bullies in                                                               
 th                                                                                                                             
9  grade  and which were most likely to drop  out, based on their                                                               
inability to handle current class-load  assignments. She asked if                                                               
research is  available that supports  intervention long  before a                                                               
child reaches high school.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY referred  to the  "purple handout"  that has  grade 6                                                               
indicators.  A 2001  ECS study  synthesized that  information for                                                               
policy makers; it can be found at: www.ecs.org/rs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:17:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS asked if there were other questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said he was  a high school principal  for 10                                                               
years and  an elementary school  principal for 10 years,  so some                                                               
of his  comments come from that  background. He found that  if he                                                               
wanted  to find  out what  was  going on  in a  child's life,  he                                                               
needed only  ask what that child  was going to do  this summer or                                                               
next year. An  at-risk child will always say "I  don't know." The                                                               
most telling characteristic  of an at-risk teenager  is that they                                                               
have no vision; they don't know  where they are going and have no                                                               
                                                     th                                                                         
stressed  that a  child will  pay any  price to  belong and  feel                                                               
connected. Many kids  who leave school do not  feel connected. He                                                               
also pointed out  that with technology, children  are learning in                                                               
real time.  When looking at  education from a  broad perspective,                                                               
there  is no  reason  for a  student  to sit  in  a classroom  if                                                               
there's  a  way  to  demonstrate that  the  student  already  had                                                               
attained the  needed knowledge. Mastering the  information is the                                                               
goal,  not  seat-time in  the  classroom.  Also many  schools  in                                                               
Alaska need larger playgrounds so  kids can explore their talents                                                               
and interests; it's part of learning.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  continued  that   when  he  graduated  from                                                               
school, everyone had  a part-time job that  taught important life                                                               
skills. That is no longer  true, particularly in rural Alaska. In                                                               
the  last 10  years  there's been  a flight  of  kids from  rural                                                               
Alaska.  When many  of the  rural  schools were  built they  were                                                               
large enough to  have vocational programs. That is  no longer the                                                               
case; currently there  are 100 schools with 25  or fewer students                                                               
and those schools  can't afford to offer enough  choices to allow                                                               
kids to  explore their  interests. For  that reason  many parents                                                               
choose to put  their children in a larger high  school but in the                                                               
larger schools,  those children have  no connection,  they become                                                               
invisible and disappear.  The bottom line is that  all the things                                                               
Ms. Dounay said  make sense and Alaska is already  doing a lot of                                                               
the things  she recommends. DEED  is exploring  "middle colleges"                                                               
where students can  get their associates degree at  the same time                                                               
they  get their  high  school diploma.  These  are programs  that                                                               
attract  kids. Again  he  said  that many  of  the  kids who  are                                                               
walking  away from  school do  have skills,  they simply  are not                                                               
connected.  "They don't  have  the vision;  they  don't have  the                                                               
ability to make connections with the society that's changing."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA agreed that  Alaska has a mobile population                                                               
due to seasonal  jobs. She recalled that in early  2000 there was                                                               
training available for rural teachers  on how to use the Internet                                                               
effectively to  keep kids at  the same level  as the rest  of the                                                               
state.  Also,  distance  delivery  is used  successfully  at  the                                                               
college level. She asked if there  is a way to use something like                                                               
the Internet to keep kids engaged  even though they may move from                                                               
place to place.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DOUNAY replied that is  being done. Alabama and Louisiana use                                                               
virtual high  schools to target students'  individual achievement                                                               
levels.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  said DEED  is looking  at some  virtual high                                                               
school  models, including  partnerships with  other schools.  For                                                               
example  a teacher  in Karuk  who has  one student  can access  a                                                               
virtual  schedule  to  partner   with  other  teachers  and  many                                                               
students. Moving  toward a standards-based  system rather  than a                                                               
credit  system, students  won't  have to  sit  through an  entire                                                               
course to  pick up one  piece of information they  missed. "We're                                                               
moving   in  that   direction  with   credit  recovery,   virtual                                                               
schedules, and very very flexible  ways for kids to earn credit,"                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS announced a break from 3:27:44 PM to3:40:22 PM.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:40:46 PM                                                                                                                    
PAULA PAWLOWSKI,  Legislative Chair,  Alaska PTA,  Anchorage, AK,                                                               
said she  was born in  Alaska to  a military family;  between the                                                               
ages of 1 and 12 she attended 11  schools so she missed a lot and                                                               
her  SAT  scores  were  awful. If  someone  isn't  tracking  what                                                               
subjects students  are taking  and when,  students can  get lost.                                                               
Her family  has hosted exchange  students from Costa  Rica, Japan                                                               
and  Switzerland;  her eldest  son  was  an exchange  student  in                                                               
Sweden; and her  youngest spent time in China, Taiwan  and is now                                                               
at Stanford.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAWLOWSKI said  it's phenomenal  that  everyone is  pointing                                                               
fingers  at   parents.  Many  parents  don't   realize  how  much                                                               
influence they  have as  teachers; but they  do know  their child                                                               
best and  for better or  worse are their child's  first educator.                                                               
In  1995  the  Alaska  State  Board  of  Education  endorsed  the                                                               
standards  for  parent  involvement  developed by  Dr.  Joyce  L.                                                               
Epstein of Johns Hopkins University.  Dr. Epstein worked with the                                                               
national PTA to  continue to develop those  standards. The Alaska                                                               
State Board  of Education also  endorsed the printed book  of the                                                               
national  standards;  so   the  State  of  Alaska   has  had  two                                                               
opportunities  to define  parental  involvement. Those  standards                                                               
have quality  indicators and  measurement tools  in place  but so                                                               
far  the DEED  has not  utilized them  to look  at what  parental                                                               
involvement can  do for students and  partnerships. The Fairbanks                                                               
Borough  has  done  an  excellent  job  of  using  the  standards                                                               
indicated  in  "No  Child  Left  Behind"  to  define  a  parental                                                               
involvement policy;  but the rest of  the state is way  behind on                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The state PTA  is an organized entity and a  great way to educate                                                               
parents.  Currently there  are  about 9000  members  and 158  PTA                                                               
groups across the  state. According to Johns  Hopkins, parents of                                                               
students at the  secondary level want information  about jobs and                                                               
career paths; but  Anchorage has only two PTA groups  at the high                                                               
school  level so  the state  PTA doesn't  have a  vehicle to  get                                                               
information out to parents.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAWLOWSKI said  the  state  PTA request  for  funding for  a                                                               
parent  involvement project  made it  through the  House and  the                                                               
Senate but  was vetoed by  the governor.  There were a  couple of                                                               
particularly important things in that  project: to spread PTAs to                                                               
more  rural areas,  and to  develop a  teacher preparation/parent                                                               
involvement class at the university level.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAWLOWSKI said  last year  the national  PTA had  a contract                                                               
with  Ann  Henderson  to  realign  all  of  its  information  and                                                               
resources  on  the  national   parent  standards.  Ms.  Pawlowski                                                               
advised  that  she  is  now   working  with  Bridge  Builders  of                                                               
Anchorage, looking  at parents  of minority  students who  have a                                                               
very hard time  navigating the school system. At  this point, she                                                               
said,  the children  are acting  as communicators  between school                                                               
and family  and it isn't working  out well. She said  that before                                                               
the  November  summit she  will  contact  all  of the  state  PTA                                                               
presidents for information on how  this is working for parents in                                                               
the various states.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. POWLOWSKI  said that if a  child has a good  family situation                                                               
and a  poor teaching  experience, the  child will  be OK;  if the                                                               
child  has a  poor  family experience  and  great teachers,  that                                                               
child  will be  fine;  but if  a  child has  both  a poor  family                                                               
experience  and a  poor teaching  experience, the  child will  be                                                               
disconnected. Ms.  Pawlowski spoke of the  influence the teachers                                                               
at West  High had on her  children and that the  smaller learning                                                               
community there had a positive influence.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAWLOWSKI  said there  is some  great research  about getting                                                               
fathers engaged  and involving  non-custodial parents.  When non-                                                               
custodial parents or single fathers  are engaged in their child's                                                               
educational life, statistics  show the same good  results as when                                                               
both  parents  are  at  home.  It  is  parents'  intent  and  the                                                               
engagement that makes  a difference. The question is  how to make                                                               
sure all  parents get involved. The  PTA isn't fond of  the "body                                                               
count" for how many parents  attend parent/teacher conferences or                                                               
sporting events because more and  more often both parents have to                                                               
work and  some families  feel that teachers  are the  experts and                                                               
it's up  to them. But  both are teachers  in their own  right and                                                               
the learning at home piece is  vital. It's just that parents need                                                               
to be  empowered and encouraged  to take part. In  conclusion she                                                               
said  there is  a  history in  Alaska of  being  a Johns  Hopkins                                                               
partnership school to  use standards to engage  parents, but very                                                               
few  districts  have  developed   policy  to  encourage  parental                                                               
involvement. Getting  districts to  use those standards  has been                                                               
and  continues to  be  the  goal of  the  Alaska  PTA. Those  six                                                               
standards cover business, home and at school.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:57:04 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked  if the number of  schools that have                                                               
PTAs has changed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAWLOWSKI  said yes and it's  driven by the number  of people                                                               
who have  time to volunteer. Some  years there are as  few as 100                                                               
PTAs in  the state  and sometimes  as many  as 180.  Parents come                                                               
together when there is a critical issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:46 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDY  ROGERS,  CEO,  PangoMedia   Inc.  and  Legislative  Affairs                                                               
Committee, State  Chamber of  Commerce, said  his interest  is in                                                               
seeing students complete a course of  study so they can enter the                                                               
workforce as  employable young professionals. It  is difficult to                                                               
find jobs  for young people,  but it's difficult for  industry to                                                               
grow when students come into  the workforce without the necessary                                                               
resume to be  successfully placed in profitable  positions. It is                                                               
a disservice  to students to  let them go through  an educational                                                               
process  and enter  the workforce  only to  find that  they don't                                                               
have what  is needed to obtain  employment in their field.  It is                                                               
also unfair to the employers. He  asked that there be an emphasis                                                               
in  the   educational  process  on  internships   in  the  actual                                                               
workforce;  so when  students  leave school  to  embark on  their                                                               
professional  careers, they  have  some  demonstrable skills  and                                                               
experience.  He   suggested  that  educational   institutions  be                                                               
encouraged   to  connect   more   directly   with  industry   and                                                               
representatives of  the business  world and  make more  effort to                                                               
include pragmatic  work experience in their  students' education.                                                               
Last, Mr. Rogers asked that  members of the business community be                                                               
further  included in  discussions like  this one  when trying  to                                                               
craft  the best  possible educational  system. He  is discouraged                                                               
that the  best and brightest  young people in Alaska  are leaving                                                               
the state  to complete their  educations and forming  their first                                                               
business ties elsewhere because they  don't come back. If they do                                                               
finish school  in Alaska, they  are unable  to find work  so they                                                               
relocate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DAVIS thanked  Mr. Rogers for his comments  and assured him                                                               
that business must be involved in the educational process.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:05:48 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL D.  KENDELL said he is  concerned that the school  system is                                                               
flawed. He admitted  that when he listens to  testimony by people                                                               
who have a  passion for something it puts him  back in his place.                                                               
He  opined that  those people  who have  a passion  for something                                                               
have a greater standing than people  like himself who look at the                                                               
issue from  the outside.  He said they've  gone way  beyond their                                                               
mission; they  now have groups  looking at groups and  this isn't                                                               
complicated, they need  to get back to the home  and the parents.                                                               
He said he does  not believe it is the school's  job to deal with                                                               
employment but  to teach  children how  to learn  and how  to get                                                               
along  with  other  children.  The child  who  excels  should  be                                                               
rewarded and the child that can't  be handled should be sent home                                                               
and let society take care of him. That's the way it is, he said.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KENDELL continued  that he  wants to  set that  aside for  a                                                               
moment;  he came  to  the meeting  to  "ambush" legislators  with                                                               
another mission,  to turn their  efforts toward energy.  From his                                                               
perspective,  everything  in  Alaska should  be  directed  toward                                                               
energy; everything is interconnected  through the distribution of                                                               
energy and  disruption in the  distribution of energy  has robbed                                                               
people of their sense of security.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He believes that the legislature  should reward students for good                                                               
grades  by giving  them  each an  electric  vehicle, which  would                                                               
reduce air pollution,  provide business to auto  makers and teach                                                               
students about  electrons and  hydrogen. Buying  100,000 electric                                                               
vehicles would change  the state and every living  creature in it                                                               
overnight.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:12:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KENDELL went on to say that  it appears to him that the world                                                               
is  headed  toward  a new,  energy-related  society.  Energy  and                                                               
"business as usual"  will never be viewed as it  was in the past.                                                               
The  whole world  is looking  at  energy and  everything so  it's                                                               
important to  redirect the  children of  Alaska toward  an energy                                                               
mentality. Schools  have the opportunity  to morph Alaska  in 2-6                                                               
years,  gain world  recognition and  put Alaska's  children in  a                                                               
very special place.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
He  pointed to  big oil  and  the fact  that it  is getting  into                                                               
everything. He  said it  has to  fail and  when it  collapses, it                                                               
isn't  the money  that's  the  problem, it  is  quality of  life.                                                               
Somehow that  quality of life  has been lost. He  maintained that                                                               
worry about  money is  really tied  to people  who don't  want to                                                               
work. But  energy is behind  it all and  you can't buy  energy if                                                               
there isn't a  stable society. He warned that  the legislature is                                                               
headed  for a  direct conflict  with the  money, but  it's really                                                               
about the energy.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KENDELL offered his belief  that young children are beginning                                                               
to see  the unraveling and the  only way to bring  that back home                                                               
is to concentrate on energy.  A dwelling that has electricity and                                                               
water can be held together.  Alaska should have 100 hydroelectric                                                               
projects and wind turbine projects and new electric vehicles.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  interrupted and  asked Mr. Kendall  to wrap  up. She                                                               
asked him  to provide a copy  of his plan and  reminded him that,                                                               
as she told him earlier, if  he doesn't have any support for that                                                               
plan, it cannot go anywhere. She  stressed that she wants to read                                                               
what he  has given  her, but  does not see  how it  connects with                                                               
what they are trying to do.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KENDALL  asked if he could  clarify his position. He  is very                                                               
disappointed  with  the  school infrastructure;  he  thinks  it's                                                               
failing and flailing  and everyone is waiting for  it to collapse                                                               
when the  money runs  out. He  didn't want  to come  and complain                                                               
about that, and  thought if he could tie in  energy, perhaps they                                                               
could get  past the  differences that  no one  was going  to give                                                               
ground on.  He hoped to  show legislators that the  problems they                                                               
see of  females who no  longer want  to be patriarchal;  the boys                                                               
and girls  who can't be  boys and  girls; and all  the ideologies                                                               
they  are seeing  now days  are not  possible without  individual                                                               
freedoms  and  you can't  have  the  individual freedoms  without                                                               
energy.  He  was  hoping  the  legislature  could  transcend  the                                                               
differences of diversity and race  and holidays and gender to see                                                               
a way to get around it.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:24:09 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   FAIRCLOUGH    said   Mr.    Kendall   questioned                                                               
legislators'  ability  to notify  the  public  so she  wanted  to                                                               
announce that the  Alaska Renewable Energy Task  Force would meet                                                               
at the Anchorage  LIO on October 21, 2008 from  10:00 AM to noon.                                                               
She emphasized that  public notice is always provided,  but it is                                                               
simply not possible to provide personal invitations to everyone.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Davis adjourned the meeting at 4:26:01 PM.                                                                              

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